John Henry Lloyd vs Honus Wagner: Career Stats Comparison
Honus Wagner has the better career line of the two, leading 12 of the 14 scored categories on this page (1 further counting total is shown but not scored). John Henry Lloyd played 1912–1931 as a hitter; Honus Wagner played 1897–1917 as a hitter.
- AVG (Batting Average):
- Hits divided by at bats. .300 is the traditional mark of an excellent hitter.
- HR (Home Runs):
- Hits on which the batter circled the bases and scored, almost always by clearing the outfield fence.
- RBI (Runs Batted In):
- Runs that scored as a direct result of a batter's plate appearance.
- OPS (On-Base Plus Slugging):
- On-base percentage plus slugging percentage, the quickest single summary of offensive value. .900 or better is star-level.
Data updated
John Henry Lloyd (1912–1931) and Honus Wagner (1897–1917) — they broke in during the 1910s and the 1890s respectively, which makes the side-by-side worth doing carefully. John Henry Lloyd finished with 1,283 hits and 29 home runs; Honus Wagner finished with 3,420 hits and 101 home runs. Below is the full career table, PIV adjustment, peak seasons, and a verdict.
Quick answer
- Who hit more home runs? Honus Wagner, with 101 to John Henry Lloyd's 29.
- Who had the higher OPS? Honus Wagner, with .858 to John Henry Lloyd's .848.
- Who had the higher batting average? John Henry Lloyd, with .344 to Honus Wagner's .328.
- Who had more hits? Honus Wagner, with 3,420 to John Henry Lloyd's 1,283.
- Who drove in more runs? Honus Wagner, with 1,733 to John Henry Lloyd's 661.
- Who has the higher career PIV? Honus Wagner, with 59,177 career PIV to John Henry Lloyd's 12,777.
- Who won more championships? Honus Wagner, with 1 World Series title to John Henry Lloyd's 0.
John Henry Lloyd
Honus Wagner
Career Stats Side-by-Side
Every cell below is a career total or career rate for John Henry Lloyd and Honus Wagner. Cells highlighted in green mark the category leader. 14 of the 15 lines below are scored; the other one is a counting total on which fewer is not an achievement, so no one is awarded it. Counting stats reward longevity, and strikeouts are left unmarked because a longer career accumulates more of them. Rate stats are not era-adjusted, and the 1910s and the 1890s were different run environments, so read them against their eras, or use the PIV card below, which is adjusted.
| Statistic | John Henry Lloyd | Honus Wagner |
|---|---|---|
| Games | 981 | Leads: 2,794 |
| At-Bats | 3,731 | Leads: 10,439 |
| Runs | 641 | Leads: 1,739 |
| Hits | 1,283 | Leads: 3,420 |
| Doubles | 206 | Leads: 643 |
| Triples | 63 | Leads: 252 |
| Home Runs | 29 | Leads: 101 |
| RBI | 661 | Leads: 1,733 |
| Walks | 281 | Leads: 963 |
| Strikeouts not scored | 8 | 735 |
| Stolen Bases | 136 | Leads: 723 |
| Batting Avg | Leads: .344 | .328 |
| On-Base % | Leads: .391 | .391 |
| Slugging % | .456 | Leads: .467 |
| OPS | .848 | Leads: .858 |
PIV Comparison through 2025
By PIV (Player Impact Value), Honus Wagner outpaces John Henry Lloyd 59,177 to 12,777 — driven by per-season impact — 2,818 PIV per season to 456 — rather than by longevity, since Honus Wagner played 21 seasons to John Henry Lloyd's 28. PIV adjusts each season to league baselines, so it's the cleanest way to compare careers across eras.
PIV is computed through the 2025 season. The career totals on this page include 2026 to date, so PIV does not yet reflect the 2026 season.
Peak Seasons
The best single seasons each player produced, ranked by OPS among qualified workloads (300+ at-bats).
John Henry Lloyd — top 1 season by OPS
Honus Wagner — top 3 seasons by OPS
Verdict
On the head-to-head card, Honus Wagner leads in hits, home runs, RBI, and runs, while John Henry Lloyd owns batting average and OBP. That doesn't settle the era debate, but on the raw scoreboard the edge goes to Honus Wagner. PIV agrees: Honus Wagner grades out higher across their careers. Click through to each profile for the full season-by-season breakdown.
Related Matchups
How the John Henry Lloyd and Honus Wagner careers compare
From 1912 through 1917, John Henry Lloyd and Honus Wagner were in the majors together. Honus Wagner has the far longer record, 2,794 games against 981 across 28 and 21 PIV seasons, which inflates every career total. John Henry Lloyd's edges on the table are batting average (.344 to .328) and on-base percentage (.391 to .391). John Henry Lloyd walked more often than struck out (281 walks, 8 strikeouts); Honus Wagner walked more often than struck out (963 walks, 735 strikeouts). Home runs make up a larger share of Honus Wagner's hits: 29 of 1,283 for John Henry Lloyd, 101 of 3,420 for Honus Wagner.
John Henry Lloyd vs Honus Wagner: Frequently Asked Questions
- Who was better, John Henry Lloyd or Honus Wagner?
- By the career statistics compared on this page, Honus Wagner leads John Henry Lloyd in 12 of the 14 scored categories.
- Did John Henry Lloyd or Honus Wagner hit more home runs?
- Honus Wagner, with 101 to John Henry Lloyd's 29.
- Who had the higher OPS?
- Honus Wagner, with .858 to John Henry Lloyd's .848.
- Who had the higher batting average?
- John Henry Lloyd, with .344 to Honus Wagner's .328.
- Who had more hits?
- Honus Wagner, with 3,420 to John Henry Lloyd's 1,283.