John Franco vs Bobby Shantz: Career Stats Comparison
Bobby Shantz has the better career line of the two, leading 8 of the 12 scored categories on this page (4 further counting totals are shown but not scored). John Franco played 1984–2005 as a pitcher; Bobby Shantz played 1949–1964 as a pitcher.
- ERA (Earned Run Average):
- Earned runs allowed per nine innings pitched: (ER × 9) ÷ IP. The primary measure of pitching effectiveness.
- W (Wins):
- Games credited to a pitcher whose team took a lead it never surrendered while he was the pitcher of record.
- SO (Strikeouts):
- For a batter, times retired on a third strike; for a pitcher, batters retired on a third strike.
- WHIP (Walks and Hits per Inning Pitched):
- Baserunners allowed per inning: (BB + H) ÷ IP. Under 1.00 is elite.
Data updated
John Franco (1984–2005) and Bobby Shantz (1949–1964) — breaking in during the 1980s and the 1940s respectively, so they pitched against very different hitting environments. John Franco finished with 90 wins and 975 strikeouts; Bobby Shantz finished with 119 wins and 1,072 strikeouts. The numbers below run them through identical career and rate-stat lenses.
Quick answer
- Who had the better ERA? John Franco, with 2.89 to Bobby Shantz's 3.38.
- Who won more games? Bobby Shantz, with 119 to John Franco's 90.
- Who recorded more strikeouts? Bobby Shantz, with 1,072 to John Franco's 975.
- Who had the better WHIP? Bobby Shantz, with 1.26 to John Franco's 1.33.
- Who pitched more innings? Bobby Shantz, with 1,935.2 to John Franco's 1,245.2.
- Who threw more shutouts? Bobby Shantz, with 15 to John Franco's 0.
- Who has the higher career Pitcher PIV? Bobby Shantz, with 24,845 career Pitcher PIV to John Franco's 22,498.
John Franco
Bobby Shantz
Career Stats Side-by-Side
Every cell below is a career total or career rate. Cells highlighted in green mark the player who leads that line. Lower ERA, WHIP and BB/9 lead; higher K/9 leads. 12 of the 16 lines below are scored; the other 4 are counting totals on which fewer is not an achievement, so no one is awarded them. Totals where fewer is not an achievement -- losses, walks and hits allowed -- are left unmarked, because they track how long someone pitched rather than how well. Rate stats are not era-adjusted, and the 1980s and the 1940s were different run environments, so read them against their eras, or use the PIV card below, which is adjusted.
| Statistic | John Franco | Bobby Shantz |
|---|---|---|
| Wins | 90 | Leads: 119 |
| Losses not scored | 87 | 99 |
| Games | Leads: 1,119 | 537 |
| Games Started | 0 | Leads: 171 |
| Complete Games | 0 | Leads: 78 |
| Shutouts | 0 | Leads: 15 |
| Saves | Leads: 424 | 48 |
| Strikeouts | 975 | Leads: 1,072 |
| Walks not scored | 495 | 643 |
| Hits Allowed not scored | 1,166 | 1,795 |
| Home Runs Allowed not scored | 81 | 151 |
| Innings Pitched | 1,245.2 | Leads: 1,935.2 |
| ERA | Leads: 2.89 | 3.38 |
| WHIP | 1.33 | Leads: 1.26 |
| K/9 | Leads: 7.04 | 4.98 |
| BB/9 | 3.58 | Leads: 2.99 |
PIV Comparison through 2025
By PIV (Player Impact Value), Bobby Shantz leads John Franco 24,845 to 22,498 — driven by per-season impact — 1,308 PIV per season to 1,071 — rather than by longevity, since Bobby Shantz played 19 seasons to John Franco's 21. PIV adjusts each season to league baselines, so it's the cleanest way to compare careers across eras.
PIV is computed through the 2025 season. The career totals on this page include 2026 to date, so PIV does not yet reflect the 2026 season.
Peak Seasons
The best single seasons each player produced, ranked by ERA among qualified workloads (120+ innings).
John Franco
No seasons meet the qualifying workload, so there is no peak-season list to show.
Bobby Shantz — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)
Verdict
On the head-to-head card, Bobby Shantz leads in wins, strikeouts, WHIP, and innings pitched, while John Franco owns ERA and K/9. That doesn't settle the era debate, but on the raw scoreboard the edge goes to Bobby Shantz. PIV agrees: Bobby Shantz grades out higher across their careers. Click through to each profile for the full season-by-season breakdown.
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How the John Franco and Bobby Shantz careers compare
The two careers never overlapped: Bobby Shantz's ended in 1964, and John Franco debuted in 1984. Playing time explains much of the gap in the counting rows: John Franco appeared in 1,119 games to Bobby Shantz's 537. The green cells for John Franco are games (1,119 to 537), saves (424 to 48), and ERA (2.89 to 3.38). By rate, John Franco struck out 7.04 and walked 3.58 per nine innings; Bobby Shantz struck out 4.98 and walked 2.99. Their roles differ: John Franco worked mostly in relief (0 starts in 1,119 games, 424 saves); Bobby Shantz split time between starting and relief (171 starts in 537 games).
John Franco vs Bobby Shantz: Frequently Asked Questions
- Who was better, John Franco or Bobby Shantz?
- By the career statistics compared on this page, Bobby Shantz leads John Franco in 8 of the 12 scored categories.
- Who had the better ERA?
- John Franco, with 2.89 to Bobby Shantz's 3.38.
- Who won more games?
- Bobby Shantz, with 119 to John Franco's 90.
- Who recorded more strikeouts?
- Bobby Shantz, with 1,072 to John Franco's 975.
- Who had the better WHIP?
- Bobby Shantz, with 1.26 to John Franco's 1.33.