Steve Carlton vs Andy Messersmith: Career Stats Comparison
Steve Carlton has the better career line of the two, leading 9 of the 12 scored categories on this page (4 further counting totals are shown but not scored). Steve Carlton played 1965–1988 as a pitcher; Andy Messersmith played 1968–1979 as a pitcher.
- ERA (Earned Run Average):
- Earned runs allowed per nine innings pitched: (ER × 9) ÷ IP. The primary measure of pitching effectiveness.
- W (Wins):
- Games credited to a pitcher whose team took a lead it never surrendered while he was the pitcher of record.
- SO (Strikeouts):
- For a batter, times retired on a third strike; for a pitcher, batters retired on a third strike.
- WHIP (Walks and Hits per Inning Pitched):
- Baserunners allowed per inning: (BB + H) ÷ IP. Under 1.00 is elite.
Data updated
Steve Carlton (1965–1988) and Andy Messersmith (1968–1979) — both came up during the 1960s, so the matchup is a direct one. Steve Carlton finished with 329 wins and 4,136 strikeouts; Andy Messersmith finished with 130 wins and 1,625 strikeouts. The numbers below run them through identical career and rate-stat lenses.
Quick answer
- Who had the better ERA? Andy Messersmith, with 2.86 to Steve Carlton's 3.22.
- Who won more games? Steve Carlton, with 329 to Andy Messersmith's 130.
- Who recorded more strikeouts? Steve Carlton, with 4,136 to Andy Messersmith's 1,625.
- Who had the better WHIP? Andy Messersmith, with 1.14 to Steve Carlton's 1.25.
- Who pitched more innings? Steve Carlton, with 5,217.1 to Andy Messersmith's 2,230.1.
- Who threw more shutouts? Steve Carlton, with 55 to Andy Messersmith's 27.
- Who has the higher career Pitcher PIV? Steve Carlton, with 76,502 career Pitcher PIV to Andy Messersmith's 19,907.
Steve Carlton
Andy Messersmith
Career Stats Side-by-Side
Every cell below is a career total or career rate. Cells highlighted in green mark the player who leads that line. Lower ERA, WHIP and BB/9 lead; higher K/9 leads. 12 of the 16 lines below are scored; the other 4 are counting totals on which fewer is not an achievement, so no one is awarded them. Totals where fewer is not an achievement -- losses, walks and hits allowed -- are left unmarked, because they track how long someone pitched rather than how well. Rate stats are not era-adjusted, so read them against the run environment each player worked in, or use the PIV card below, which is adjusted.
| Statistic | Steve Carlton | Andy Messersmith |
|---|---|---|
| Wins | Leads: 329 | 130 |
| Losses not scored | 244 | 99 |
| Games | Leads: 741 | 344 |
| Games Started | Leads: 709 | 295 |
| Complete Games | Leads: 254 | 98 |
| Shutouts | Leads: 55 | 27 |
| Saves | 2 | Leads: 15 |
| Strikeouts | Leads: 4,136 | 1,625 |
| Walks not scored | 1,833 | 831 |
| Hits Allowed not scored | 4,672 | 1,719 |
| Home Runs Allowed not scored | 414 | 174 |
| Innings Pitched | Leads: 5,217.1 | 2,230.1 |
| ERA | 3.22 | Leads: 2.86 |
| WHIP | 1.25 | Leads: 1.14 |
| K/9 | Leads: 7.13 | 6.56 |
| BB/9 | Leads: 3.16 | 3.35 |
PIV Comparison through 2025
By PIV (Player Impact Value), Steve Carlton outpaces Andy Messersmith 76,502 to 19,907 — driven by both sides of the ledger: 2,833 PIV per season to 1,659, across 27 seasons to 12. PIV adjusts each season to league baselines, so it's the cleanest way to compare careers across eras.
PIV is computed through the 2025 season. The career totals on this page include 2026 to date, so PIV does not yet reflect the 2026 season.
Peak Seasons
The best single seasons each player produced, ranked by ERA among qualified workloads (120+ innings).
Steve Carlton — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)
Andy Messersmith — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)
Verdict
On the head-to-head card, Steve Carlton leads in wins, strikeouts, K/9, and innings pitched, while Andy Messersmith owns ERA and WHIP. That doesn't settle the era debate, but on the raw scoreboard the edge goes to Steve Carlton. PIV agrees: Steve Carlton grades out higher across their careers. Click through to each profile for the full season-by-season breakdown.
Related Matchups
How the Steve Carlton and Andy Messersmith careers compare
From 1968 through 1979, Steve Carlton and Andy Messersmith were in the majors together. Steve Carlton has the far longer record, 741 games against 344 across 27 and 12 PIV seasons, which inflates every career total. Where Andy Messersmith comes out ahead, it is in saves (15 to 2), ERA (2.86 to 3.22), and WHIP (1.14 to 1.25). By rate, Steve Carlton struck out 7.13 and walked 3.16 per nine innings; Andy Messersmith struck out 6.56 and walked 3.35. Both had the same role: Steve Carlton was mainly a starter (709 starts in 741 games); Andy Messersmith was mainly a starter (295 starts in 344 games).
Steve Carlton vs Andy Messersmith: Frequently Asked Questions
- Who was better, Steve Carlton or Andy Messersmith?
- By the career statistics compared on this page, Steve Carlton leads Andy Messersmith in 9 of the 12 scored categories.
- Who had the better ERA?
- Andy Messersmith, with 2.86 to Steve Carlton's 3.22.
- Who won more games?
- Steve Carlton, with 329 to Andy Messersmith's 130.
- Who recorded more strikeouts?
- Steve Carlton, with 4,136 to Andy Messersmith's 1,625.
- Who had the better WHIP?
- Andy Messersmith, with 1.14 to Steve Carlton's 1.25.