Lefty Grove vs Waite Hoyt: Career Stats Comparison
Lefty Grove has the better career line of the two, leading 10 of the 12 scored categories on this page (4 further counting totals are shown but not scored). Lefty Grove played 1925–1941 as a pitcher; Waite Hoyt played 1918–1938 as a pitcher.
- ERA (Earned Run Average):
- Earned runs allowed per nine innings pitched: (ER × 9) ÷ IP. The primary measure of pitching effectiveness.
- W (Wins):
- Games credited to a pitcher whose team took a lead it never surrendered while he was the pitcher of record.
- SO (Strikeouts):
- For a batter, times retired on a third strike; for a pitcher, batters retired on a third strike.
- WHIP (Walks and Hits per Inning Pitched):
- Baserunners allowed per inning: (BB + H) ÷ IP. Under 1.00 is elite.
Data updated
Lefty Grove (1925–1941) and Waite Hoyt (1918–1938) — breaking in during the 1920s and the 1910s respectively, so they pitched against very different hitting environments. Lefty Grove finished with 300 wins and 2,266 strikeouts; Waite Hoyt finished with 237 wins and 1,206 strikeouts. The numbers below run them through identical career and rate-stat lenses.
Quick answer
- Who had the better ERA? Lefty Grove, with 3.06 to Waite Hoyt's 3.59.
- Who won more games? Lefty Grove, with 300 to Waite Hoyt's 237.
- Who recorded more strikeouts? Lefty Grove, with 2,266 to Waite Hoyt's 1,206.
- Who had the better WHIP? Lefty Grove, with 1.28 to Waite Hoyt's 1.34.
- Who pitched more innings? Lefty Grove, with 3,940.2 to Waite Hoyt's 3,762.1.
- Who threw more shutouts? Lefty Grove, with 35 to Waite Hoyt's 26.
- Who has the higher career Pitcher PIV? Lefty Grove, with 81,321 career Pitcher PIV to Waite Hoyt's 27,173.
Lefty Grove
Waite Hoyt
Career Stats Side-by-Side
Every cell below is a career total or career rate. Cells highlighted in green mark the player who leads that line. Lower ERA, WHIP and BB/9 lead; higher K/9 leads. 12 of the 16 lines below are scored; the other 4 are counting totals on which fewer is not an achievement, so no one is awarded them. Totals where fewer is not an achievement -- losses, walks and hits allowed -- are left unmarked, because they track how long someone pitched rather than how well. Rate stats are not era-adjusted, and the 1920s and the 1910s were different run environments, so read them against their eras, or use the PIV card below, which is adjusted.
| Statistic | Lefty Grove | Waite Hoyt |
|---|---|---|
| Wins | Leads: 300 | 237 |
| Losses not scored | 141 | 182 |
| Games | 616 | Leads: 674 |
| Games Started | Leads: 457 | 423 |
| Complete Games | Leads: 298 | 226 |
| Shutouts | Leads: 35 | 26 |
| Saves | Leads: 55 | 52 |
| Strikeouts | Leads: 2,266 | 1,206 |
| Walks not scored | 1,187 | 1,003 |
| Hits Allowed not scored | 3,849 | 4,037 |
| Home Runs Allowed not scored | 162 | 154 |
| Innings Pitched | Leads: 3,940.2 | 3,762.1 |
| ERA | Leads: 3.06 | 3.59 |
| WHIP | Leads: 1.28 | 1.34 |
| K/9 | Leads: 5.18 | 2.88 |
| BB/9 | 2.71 | Leads: 2.40 |
PIV Comparison through 2025
By PIV (Player Impact Value), Lefty Grove outpaces Waite Hoyt 81,321 to 27,173 — driven by per-season impact — 4,784 PIV per season to 1,087 — rather than by longevity, since Lefty Grove played 17 seasons to Waite Hoyt's 25. PIV adjusts each season to league baselines, so it's the cleanest way to compare careers across eras.
PIV is computed through the 2025 season. The career totals on this page include 2026 to date, so PIV does not yet reflect the 2026 season.
Peak Seasons
The best single seasons each player produced, ranked by ERA among qualified workloads (120+ innings).
Lefty Grove — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)
Waite Hoyt — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)
Verdict
On the head-to-head card, Lefty Grove leads in wins, strikeouts, ERA, and WHIP, while Waite Hoyt owns no headline categories. That doesn't settle the era debate, but on the raw scoreboard the edge goes to Lefty Grove. PIV agrees: Lefty Grove grades out higher across their careers. Click through to each profile for the full season-by-season breakdown.
Related Matchups
How the Lefty Grove and Waite Hoyt careers compare
From 1925 through 1938, Lefty Grove and Waite Hoyt were in the majors together. With 616 games against 674 across 17 and 25 PIV seasons, neither player's totals owe much to extra seasons. Where Waite Hoyt comes out ahead, it is in games (674 to 616) and walks per nine (2.40 to 2.71). By rate, Lefty Grove struck out 5.18 and walked 2.71 per nine innings; Waite Hoyt struck out 2.88 and walked 2.40. Lefty Grove was mainly a starter (457 starts in 616 games), while Waite Hoyt split time between starting and relief (423 starts in 674 games). Lefty Grove allowed fewer baserunners, a 1.28 WHIP to Waite Hoyt's 1.34.
Lefty Grove vs Waite Hoyt: Frequently Asked Questions
- Who was better, Lefty Grove or Waite Hoyt?
- By the career statistics compared on this page, Lefty Grove leads Waite Hoyt in 10 of the 12 scored categories.
- Who had the better ERA?
- Lefty Grove, with 3.06 to Waite Hoyt's 3.59.
- Who won more games?
- Lefty Grove, with 300 to Waite Hoyt's 237.
- Who recorded more strikeouts?
- Lefty Grove, with 2,266 to Waite Hoyt's 1,206.
- Who had the better WHIP?
- Lefty Grove, with 1.28 to Waite Hoyt's 1.34.