Dave Bancroft vs John Henry Lloyd: Career Stats Comparison
Dave Bancroft has the better career line of the two, leading 9 of the 14 scored categories on this page (1 further counting total is shown but not scored). Dave Bancroft played 1915–1930 as a hitter; John Henry Lloyd played 1912–1931 as a hitter.
- AVG (Batting Average):
- Hits divided by at bats. .300 is the traditional mark of an excellent hitter.
- HR (Home Runs):
- Hits on which the batter circled the bases and scored, almost always by clearing the outfield fence.
- RBI (Runs Batted In):
- Runs that scored as a direct result of a batter's plate appearance.
- OPS (On-Base Plus Slugging):
- On-base percentage plus slugging percentage, the quickest single summary of offensive value. .900 or better is star-level.
Data updated
Dave Bancroft (1915–1930) and John Henry Lloyd (1912–1931) — both broke in during the 1910s, which makes the head-to-head feel like a contemporaries' debate. Dave Bancroft finished with 2,004 hits and 32 home runs; John Henry Lloyd finished with 1,283 hits and 29 home runs. Below is the full career table, PIV adjustment, peak seasons, and a verdict.
Quick answer
- Who hit more home runs? Dave Bancroft, with 32 to John Henry Lloyd's 29.
- Who had the higher OPS? John Henry Lloyd, with .848 to Dave Bancroft's .714.
- Who had the higher batting average? John Henry Lloyd, with .344 to Dave Bancroft's .279.
- Who had more hits? Dave Bancroft, with 2,004 to John Henry Lloyd's 1,283.
- Who drove in more runs? John Henry Lloyd, with 661 to Dave Bancroft's 591.
- Who has the higher career PIV? John Henry Lloyd, with 12,777 career PIV to Dave Bancroft's 4,247.
- Who won more championships? Dave Bancroft, with 2 World Series titles to John Henry Lloyd's 0.
Dave Bancroft
John Henry Lloyd
Career Stats Side-by-Side
Every cell below is a career total or career rate for Dave Bancroft and John Henry Lloyd. Cells highlighted in green mark the category leader. 14 of the 15 lines below are scored; the other one is a counting total on which fewer is not an achievement, so no one is awarded it. Counting stats reward longevity, and strikeouts are left unmarked because a longer career accumulates more of them. Rate stats are not era-adjusted, so read them against the run environment each player worked in, or use the PIV card below, which is adjusted.
| Statistic | Dave Bancroft | John Henry Lloyd |
|---|---|---|
| Games | Leads: 1,913 | 981 |
| At-Bats | Leads: 7,182 | 3,731 |
| Runs | Leads: 1,048 | 641 |
| Hits | Leads: 2,004 | 1,283 |
| Doubles | Leads: 320 | 206 |
| Triples | Leads: 77 | 63 |
| Home Runs | Leads: 32 | 29 |
| RBI | 591 | Leads: 661 |
| Walks | Leads: 827 | 281 |
| Strikeouts not scored | 487 | 8 |
| Stolen Bases | Leads: 145 | 136 |
| Batting Avg | .279 | Leads: .344 |
| On-Base % | .355 | Leads: .391 |
| Slugging % | .358 | Leads: .456 |
| OPS | .714 | Leads: .848 |
PIV Comparison through 2025
By PIV (Player Impact Value), John Henry Lloyd outpaces Dave Bancroft 12,777 to 4,247 — driven by both sides of the ledger: 456 PIV per season to 250, across 28 seasons to 17. PIV adjusts each season to league baselines, so it's the cleanest way to compare careers across eras.
PIV is computed through the 2025 season. The career totals on this page include 2026 to date, so PIV does not yet reflect the 2026 season.
Peak Seasons
The best single seasons each player produced, ranked by OPS among qualified workloads (300+ at-bats).
Dave Bancroft — top 3 seasons by OPS
John Henry Lloyd — top 1 season by OPS
Verdict
On the head-to-head card, John Henry Lloyd leads in RBI, batting average, OBP, and OPS, while Dave Bancroft owns hits, home runs, and runs. That doesn't settle the era debate, but on the raw scoreboard the edge goes to John Henry Lloyd. PIV agrees: John Henry Lloyd grades out higher across their careers. Click through to each profile for the full season-by-season breakdown.
Related Matchups
How the Dave Bancroft and John Henry Lloyd careers compare
The careers of Dave Bancroft (1915–1930) and John Henry Lloyd (1912–1931) overlapped from 1915 to 1930, so for those seasons they faced the same league conditions. Dave Bancroft has the far longer record, 1,913 games against 981 across 17 and 28 PIV seasons, which inflates every career total. At the plate, Dave Bancroft walked more often than struck out (827 walks, 487 strikeouts), and John Henry Lloyd walked more often than struck out (281 walks, 8 strikeouts). John Henry Lloyd is the more power-leaning hitter, with 29 of 1,283 hits leaving the park.
Dave Bancroft vs John Henry Lloyd: Frequently Asked Questions
- Who was better, Dave Bancroft or John Henry Lloyd?
- By the career statistics compared on this page, Dave Bancroft leads John Henry Lloyd in 9 of the 14 scored categories.
- Did Dave Bancroft or John Henry Lloyd hit more home runs?
- Dave Bancroft, with 32 to John Henry Lloyd's 29.
- Who had the higher OPS?
- John Henry Lloyd, with .848 to Dave Bancroft's .714.
- Who had the higher batting average?
- John Henry Lloyd, with .344 to Dave Bancroft's .279.
- Who had more hits?
- Dave Bancroft, with 2,004 to John Henry Lloyd's 1,283.