Red Faber vs Dazzy Vance: Career Stats Comparison

Dazzy Vance has the better career line of the two, leading 4 of the 8 scored categories on this page (8 further counting totals are shown but not scored). Red Faber played 1914–1933 as a pitcher; Dazzy Vance played 1915–1935 as a pitcher.

ERA (Earned Run Average):
Earned runs allowed per nine innings pitched: (ER × 9) ÷ IP. The primary measure of pitching effectiveness.
W (Wins):
Games credited to a pitcher whose team took a lead it never surrendered while he was the pitcher of record.
SO (Strikeouts):
For a batter, times retired on a third strike; for a pitcher, batters retired on a third strike.
WHIP (Walks and Hits per Inning Pitched):
Baserunners allowed per inning: (BB + H) ÷ IP. Under 1.00 is elite.

Data updated

Red Faber (1914–1933) and Dazzy Vance (1915–1935) — both debuted in the 1910s. Red Faber finished with 254 wins and 1,471 strikeouts; Dazzy Vance finished with 197 wins and 2,045 strikeouts. The table below sets out their careers line by line.

Quick answer

  • Who leads the career comparison? Dazzy Vance, in 4 of the 8 scored categories.
  • Who had the better ERA? Red Faber, with 3.15 to Dazzy Vance's 3.24.
  • Who won more games? Red Faber, with 254 to Dazzy Vance's 197.
  • Who recorded more strikeouts? Dazzy Vance, with 2,045 to Red Faber's 1,471.
  • Who had the better WHIP? Dazzy Vance, with 1.23 to Red Faber's 1.30.
  • How many innings did each pitch? Red Faber 4,086.2, Dazzy Vance 2,966.2.
  • Who threw more shutouts? Neither — both are at 29.
Leads Dazzy Vance 4 of 8 scored categories (1 tied)
Pitcher PIV edge Dazzy Vance +46,015
Read the verdict ↓

Red Faber

Pitcher · 1914–1933
Wins
254
Losses
213
Strikeouts
1,471
ERA
3.15
WHIP
1.30
IP
4,086.2
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Dazzy Vance

Pitcher · 1915–1935
Wins
197
Losses
140
Strikeouts
2,045
ERA
3.24
WHIP
1.23
IP
2,966.2
View Dazzy Vance's full profile →

Career Stats Side-by-Side

Every cell below is a career total or career rate. Cells highlighted in green mark the player who leads that line. Lower ERA, WHIP and BB/9 lead; higher K/9 leads. 8 of the 16 lines below are scored; the other 8 are shown but not scored. Games, starts and innings measure playing time, and losses, walks and hits allowed track how long someone pitched, so they are left unmarked, as is any line where both players are at zero. Rate stats are not era-adjusted, so read them against the run environment each player worked in, or use the PIV card below, which is adjusted.

Red Faber vs Dazzy Vance: Career Stats Comparison — Career Stats Side-by-Side
Statistic Red Faber Dazzy Vance
Wins Leads: 254 197
Losses not scored 213 140
Games not scored 669 442
Games Started not scored 483 347
Complete Games Leads: 273 216
Shutouts 29 29
Saves not scored 28 11
Strikeouts 1,471 Leads: 2,045
Walks not scored 1,213 840
Hits Allowed not scored 4,106 2,809
Home Runs Allowed not scored 111 132
Innings Pitched not scored 4,086.2 2,966.2
ERA Leads: 3.15 3.24
WHIP 1.30 Leads: 1.23
K/9 3.24 Leads: 6.20
BB/9 2.67 Leads: 2.55

PIV Comparison

By PIV (Player Impact Value), Dazzy Vance outpaces Red Faber 70,553 to 24,538 — driven by per-season impact — 4,410 PIV per season to 1,227 — rather than by longevity, since Dazzy Vance played 16 seasons to Red Faber's 20. PIV adjusts each season to league baselines, so it's the cleanest way to compare careers across eras.

Red Faber
24,538
Career Pitcher PIV · 1,227 per season (20 seasons)
Dazzy Vance
70,553
Career Pitcher PIV · 4,410 per season (16 seasons)

How PIV is calculated →

Peak Seasons

The best single seasons each player produced, ranked by ERA among qualified workloads (120+ innings).

Red Faber — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)

19171.92 ERA16-13, 84 K in 248 IP
19162.02 ERA17-9, 87 K in 205 IP
19212.48 ERA25-15, 124 K in 330 IP

Dazzy Vance — top 3 seasons by ERA (lower is better)

19282.09 ERA22-10, 200 K in 280 IP
19242.16 ERA28-6, 262 K in 308 IP
19302.61 ERA17-15, 173 K in 258 IP

Verdict

Dazzy Vance leads 4 of the 8 scored categories on the head-to-head card: strikeouts, WHIP, strikeouts per nine, and walks per nine. Red Faber leads 3: wins, complete games, and ERA. 1 is tied. On the raw scoreboard the edge goes to Dazzy Vance. PIV agrees: Dazzy Vance grades out higher across their careers. Click through to each profile for the full season-by-season breakdown.

Related Matchups

How the Red Faber and Dazzy Vance careers compare

Red Faber and Dazzy Vance were active at the same time between 1915 and 1933. Playing time explains much of the gap in the counting rows: Red Faber appeared in 669 games to Dazzy Vance's 442. The green cells for Red Faber are wins (254 to 197), complete games (273 to 216), and ERA (3.15 to 3.24). By rate, Red Faber struck out 3.24 and walked 2.67 per nine innings; Dazzy Vance struck out 6.20 and walked 2.55. Both had the same role: Red Faber was mainly a starter (483 starts in 669 games); Dazzy Vance was mainly a starter (347 starts in 442 games).

Red Faber vs Dazzy Vance: Frequently Asked Questions

Who was better, Red Faber or Dazzy Vance?
By the career statistics compared on this page, Dazzy Vance leads Red Faber in 4 of the 8 scored categories.
Who had the better ERA?
Red Faber, with 3.15 to Dazzy Vance's 3.24.
Who won more games?
Red Faber, with 254 to Dazzy Vance's 197.
Who recorded more strikeouts?
Dazzy Vance, with 2,045 to Red Faber's 1,471.
Who had the better WHIP?
Dazzy Vance, with 1.23 to Red Faber's 1.30.

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